WA State Bans Less Lethal Police Tools and Tactics

[MountainGirl]

They should have quit a long time ago honestly. This isn't something that happened overnight, many out there (myself included) were warning about this and have been for years.

They don't like it, they need to move. If they won't because of family . . . . well, just like in my situation, its my mess in my city/state, we have to deal with it on our own.

Methods vary. You found yours; they're finding theirs.

[juskom95]

Methods vary. You found yours; they're finding theirs.

That's my point, they are "Going along to get along," which never turns out good. These individuals have been in a position for at least two decades to stop this insanity, but they decided to "Just Follow Orders," and the like. They saw what was happening and they had choices:

Speak up
Say nothing
Leave

[Sparkyprep]

The 9mm it is, then.....

[Innkeeper]

Agree totally re the social workers.

It's the fire, rescue, ambulance personnel I feel for. Other than in Spokane - a lot of the responders up here are volunteer. The LE doesn't like this at all.

When I still sold firearms I sold many to EMT/Para's who work in the big cities, they aren't allowed to carry, but they would rather be alive to face the consequences then dead. I wonder how many out there carry or will start to carry?

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[MountainGirl]

That's my point, they are "Going along to get along," which never turns out good. These individuals have been in a position for at least two decades to stop this insanity, but they decided to "Just Follow Orders," and the like. They saw what was happening and they had choices:

Speak up
Say nothing
Leave

And that was your situation, your environment, your chiefs, your department.

Majority of heads of LE out here are elected (rather than politically appointed) and have already 'refused to enforce' several of WA's new laws re gun control. My guess is they won't comply with this to any degree... other than maybe allowing an social worker or two get thumped. They'll be right there with fire & rescue though, with the full support of their chiefs, until this goat-rope is rescinded at the state level - which shouldn't take long as the worst of it will happen in Seattle. <-- who's liberal mayor, btw, is already screaming for more police. Pffft.

Edit to add: If they were going to just "go along", that shocking tv news segment wouldn't have happened; the change would have just been quietly implemented... without showing the "deer in the headlights" faces of fire and emt responders.

[shootbrownelk]

The state and local cops will quit and Joe will send in federal cops. That’s the plan.

United Nations blue helmets?

[juskom95]

And that was your situation, your environment, your chiefs, your department.

Majority of heads of LE out here are elected (rather than politically appointed) and have already 'refused to enforce' several of WA's new laws re gun control. My guess is they won't comply with this to any degree... other than maybe allowing an social worker or two get thumped. They'll be right there with fire & rescue though, with the full support of their chiefs, until this goat-rope is rescinded at the state level - which shouldn't take long as the worst of it will happen in Seattle. <-- who's liberal mayor, btw, is already screaming for more police. Pffft.

Police are appointed, Sheriff are elected.

No one in the medical field is elected, just like the social workers etc.

They had a choice, they made it. I have ZERO sympathy for them, it is time they get to see the consequences of their inaction. This is their mess, they wouldn't stop to help me, so why should I even shed a tear for them?

They need to move or accept the rules; staying is acceptance.

Edit to add: If they were going to just "go along", that shocking tv news segment wouldn't have happened; the change would have just been quietly implemented... without showing the "deer in the headlights" faces of fire and emt responders.

Yes it would have. How often to we see pandering and press conferences by useless bureaucrats stating how upset they are, but 'their hands are tied,' and they can't do anything?

ANYONE who spent any time in government knows how screwed up and corrupt it is at ALL levels. The only way to stay in that system and achieve a leadership/management position is to ignore and support the corruption.

My sympathy is gone for LE, emergency services, social workers etc. They saw this coming for decades and didn't do anything to stand up to it, and we're supposed to feel sorry for them now!? No, not gonna happen, not after 2020. Ask yourself: How many of these LE departments turned a blind eye to the totalitarian actions of their state or supported it?

[MountainGirl]

Police are appointed, Sheriff are elected.

No one in the medical field is elected, just like the social workers etc.

They had a choice, they made it. I have ZERO sympathy for them, it is time they get to see the consequences of their inaction. This is their mess, they wouldn't stop to help me, so why should I even shed a tear for them?

They need to move or accept the rules; staying is acceptance.


Yes it would have. How often to we see pandering and press conferences by useless bureaucrats stating how upset they are, but 'their hands are tied,' and they can't do anything?

ANYONE who spent any time in government knows how screwed up and corrupt it is at ALL levels. The only way to stay in that system and achieve a leadership/management position is to ignore and support the corruption.

My sympathy is gone for LE, emergency services, social workers etc. They saw this coming for decades and didn't do anything to stand up to it, and we're supposed to feel sorry for them now!? No, not gonna happen, not after 2020. Ask yourself: How many of these LE departments turned a blind eye to the totalitarian actions of their state or supported it?

We can disagree on this.
Thanks for your reply!

[juskom95]

We can disagree on this.
Thanks for your reply!

I challenge you to Thunderdome!








Just kidding!

[MountainGirl]

I challenge you to Thunderdome!








Just kidding!

OMG!! I was just thinking the same thing!!
I was wondering when I'd hear back from you on this... I knew it would come eventually.
Yeah I'll duke it out with you as long as we both agree to get amnesia when we're done - cause it wouldn't be a debate on the issue, it'd be a name calling slug fest, and I wouldn't want to lose you as a friend when we're both exhausted from it.
Your call.