I didn't make my post to win the ammo and would have turned it down for my post as it wasn't in the proper context of this thread, but just told what some Dads were/are and how you can overcome what life gives you some times. Have I drank before, yes, but not in the past 6 years at least and never to the point I got out of control. I'm not saying I'm special, just that you don't have to let your past control who you become. It's great that most have such good memories with their Dads, but I do have some good past memories from other family members.