Ford F150 Lightning Electric Vehicle-WOW! Just WOW!...Or maybe not wow?

[Slippy]

I could argue either side of the debate podium regarding Electric Vehicles but I've studied up a bit on the new Ford F150 Lightning (Pro Model for $39.9k and so far I'm pretty impressed.

What say you knuckleheads?

Just a couple of articles below;

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a36511835/2022-ford-f-150-lightning-pro-revealed-specs/

https://www.motortrend.com/news/2022-ford-f-150-lightning-pro-commercial-work-truck-regular-buyers/

And a few videos;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFWYYBzBSlY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdvyDcsvtGM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lGmOoezWc20

[Big Ken]

If you're a car guy you know electric vehicles have been around since the 1800's, I like electric vehicles and might even own one one day but I'm a combustion engine guy at heart, one thing that holds me back is charging, I don't know about you but when I travel I go further than 300 miles, where do you charge? not like they have gas style electric stations, if I'm driving down route 66 and need a charge for my Ford truck where do I stop? I will say that in Aurburn Hills Mi. at a Target store I seen charging areas for Tesla cars, I was surprised but what about my GM, Ford or? I really like the new Hummer coming out but the lack of distance and charging station options will hold me back.

I'm I missing something?

What sucks is the wife has given me the okay when this is available but I think I'll be too old before I feel like I can go anywhere without worries.

https://www.gmc.com/electric/hummer-ev

[Dwight55]

I am totally apalled at the ignorance portrayed by electric vehicle mfgrs and sellers and buyers.

1. 300 miles is just a decent road trip . . . one way . . . and you gotta charge to get back.

2. Using the saw out in the woods will use up your battery . . . and I'll just bet that will be a long walk and and expensive "tow" bill when you are rescued.

3. There is no current . . . or forseeable future . . . place to discard these batteries when they go bad . . . and they are from what I've read . . . not able to be recycled.

4. A HUGE LOT of the technology to run them comes out of chink chong china . . . and who is to say there is not a "chip" piece in it that can be turned off some day in the future . . . that would turn it off . . . dead in the water . . . not useable.

5. It costs approximately (today) 3 times the fuel to extricate the resources to build one as the thing will save over it's projected life time.

Now . . . is there anyone out there that has an honest . . . workable . . . answer for the above . . . ??

Yeah . . . didn't think so.

May God bless,
Dwight

[bigwheel]

As all Earth Worshiping Hippies from Sunny CA know..electric vehicles only moves the smoke stack from the small amount of pollution put out by modern cars to the giant coal fired and nuclear electric power generation stations. Forget hydro electric since CA is using up all the water to grow almonds. Who knows it takes a gallon of water to make one almond? Think how much water is in a gallon of almond milk? Hydrogen fuel cells are the only thing that can turn mother earth into a man made Utopia similar to the Garden of Eden but leaving God out of the loop.

[Piratesailor]

Just my thoughts…

[Piratesailor]

And yeah.. price out the replacement cost of the battery. Friend owns a “hybrid” and got a surprise.

[hawgrider]

Nope! I'll pass!

[Inor]

Electric vehicles sound really great... if you live in suburbia AND you happen to have free or really cheap electricity. Raising unicorns for profit sounds really great too, if they really poop ice cream.

[Innkeeper]

If you're a car guy you know electric vehicles have been around since the 1800's, I like electric vehicles and might even own one one day but I'm a combustion engine guy at heart, one thing that holds me back is charging, I don't know about you but when I travel I go further than 300 miles, where do you charge? not like they have gas style electric stations, if I'm driving down route 66 and need a charge for my Ford truck where do I stop? I will say that in Aurburn Hills Mi. at a Target store I seen charging areas for Tesla cars, I was surprised but what about my GM, Ford or? I really like the new Hummer coming out but the lack of distance and charging station options will hold me back.

I'm I missing something?

What sucks is the wife has given me the okay when this is available but I think I'll be too old before I feel like I can go anywhere without worries.

https://www.gmc.com/electric/hummer-evPlus according to the article it can take up to 10-14 hours to charge the vehicle back to full so that is a lot of waiting to go 230-300 miles at a time....just saying.

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[Mad Trapper]

Nope!

I don't like most cars/trucks made after ~1990. Most newer stuff is a cluster**** to work on, I don't want it.

Electric? ROFL!!! Where you going to plugin? Is triple AAA going to rescue you when you're SOL and stranded? What happens if there is a blackout or the grid goes down.

I guess with the new F150 you could put a genny and charging system in the bed along with a big ass fuel tank......

[Slippy]

Ford introduces North America's largest electric vehicle charging network.

https://media.ford.com/content/fordmedia/fna/us/en/news/2019/10/17/ford-introduces-north-americas-largest-electric-vehicle-charting-network.html

https://insideevs.com/news/376886/ford-charging-solutions-next-gen-bevs/

[Slippy]

Some of you naysayers are missing the big picture on Electric Vehicles and by that I mean...GOVERNMENT TAX CREDIT INCENTIVES!

A of now, potential tax credits for EV are at $7500 and proposed legislation of $12,500 tax credit per EV! Of course there are some hoops to jump thru to get the max but it can be done if you are creative.

AND, if you are a small business owner, the current IRS Section 179 Equipment Purchase Tax Deduction PLUS the EV Tax Credit could make the Ford F150 Lightning one of the best returns on investment that you can make.

For example, I ran the numbers on the the Section 179 Tax Deduction PLUS the EV Credit and the Ford F150 EV Lightning (List price $40k) and it would end up costing me only $16,000 after taxes!

Considering the used car market is hot as hell, I could then flip the vehicle in a year for $30-35k and pocket a nice profit!

More things to consider...

https://www.section179.org/

[shootbrownelk]

I could argue either side of the debate podium regarding Electric Vehicles but I've studied up a bit on the new Ford F150 Lightning (Pro Model for $39.9k and so far I'm pretty impressed.

What say you knuckleheads?

Just a couple of articles below;

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a36511835/2022-ford-f-150-lightning-pro-revealed-specs/

https://www.motortrend.com/news/2022-ford-f-150-lightning-pro-commercial-work-truck-regular-buyers/

And a few videos;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFWYYBzBSlY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdvyDcsvtGM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lGmOoezWc20

Sorry Slippy, Fords don't SPARK my interest.

[Piratesailor]

So.. picture this.

45min wait while people charge their EV.
At home, 24 hours to get 72 miles on 120v. 13 hours to get a full charge at 240v.
A charging station for Tesla, one for ford, another for Chevy and another for Merc.

The future looks bright, doesn’t it.

[Inor]

Some of you naysayers are missing the big picture on Electric Vehicles and by that I mean...GOVERNMENT TAX CREDIT INCENTIVES!

A of now, potential tax credits for EV are at $7500 and proposed legislation of $12,500 tax credit per EV! Of course there are some hoops to jump thru to get the max but it can be done if you are creative.

AND, if you are a small business owner, the current IRS Section 179 Equipment Purchase Tax Deduction PLUS the EV Tax Credit could make the Ford F150 Lightning one of the best returns on investment that you can make.

For example, I ran the numbers on the the Section 179 Tax Deduction PLUS the EV Credit and the Ford F150 EV Lightning (List price $40k) and it would end up costing me only $16,000 after taxes!

Considering the used car market is hot as hell, I could then flip the vehicle in a year for $30-35k and pocket a nice profit!

More things to consider...

https://www.section179.org/

That is definitely a consideration and with your brilliant business mind, it will probably work. (What you did with OfficeMax when you owned the lumber co-op was sheer genius, so there is no way I would ever doubt your ability to find a way to make a decent profit on EVs. Hell, the whole concept of starting a lumber co-op was genius.)

Just playing devil's advocate... What part is Ford/government NOT telling us about this plan? For example, how much are they going to charge to dispose of the batteries when/if they die? I have a whole pile of old laptops collecting dust in the corner because I refuse to spend the $30 each to get rid of them.

[shootbrownelk]

If you're a car guy you know electric vehicles have been around since the 1800's, I like electric vehicles and might even own one one day but I'm a combustion engine guy at heart, one thing that holds me back is charging, I don't know about you but when I travel I go further than 300 miles, where do you charge? not like they have gas style electric stations, if I'm driving down route 66 and need a charge for my Ford truck where do I stop? I will say that in Aurburn Hills Mi. at a Target store I seen charging areas for Tesla cars, I was surprised but what about my GM, Ford or? I really like the new Hummer coming out but the lack of distance and charging station options will hold me back.

I'm I missing something?

What sucks is the wife has given me the okay when this is available but I think I'll be too old before I feel like I can go anywhere without worries.

https://www.gmc.com/electric/hummer-ev

The electricity bill to charge it will cost more than the gas on an economy car. If everyone has an electric car of truck how will all that power be produced? The grids in California and Texas have already shut down because of weather or other draws the grid can't handle. This entire electric vehicle idea is undoable from the get-go. Electric bills will be insanely high.....wait for it.

[shootbrownelk]

That is definitely a consideration and with your brilliant business mind, it will probably work. (What you did with OfficeMax when you owned the lumber co-op was sheer genius, so there is no way I would ever doubt your ability to find a way to make a decent profit on EVs. Hell, the whole concept of starting a lumber co-op was genius.)

Just playing devil's advocate... What part is Ford/government NOT telling us about this plan? For example, how much are they going to charge to dispose of the batteries when/if they die? I have a whole pile of old laptops collecting dust in the corner because I refuse to spend the $30 each to get rid of them.

People will do what they did when they started charging to dispose of tires, throw them on the side of the road in the middle of the night and let the city/county dispose of them. They'll do the same with batteries, maybe the government will require you to register your batteries and tires.

[shootbrownelk]

Electric vehicles sound really great... if you live in suburbia AND you happen to have free or really cheap electricity. Raising unicorns for profit sounds really great too, if they really poop ice cream.

Ice cream and rainbow Skittles.

[Sparkyprep]

My position remains the same that it has always been. Electric vehicles are leaps and bounds ahead of internal combustion engines. Torque and horsepower of electric motors blow engines away. There is a reason all of your big locomotives that move thousands of tons of freight are ALL electric motor-driven. Ever see a Hellcat race a Tesla? I don't need engineers to produce a better electric motor. I need engineers to produce a better BATTERY. It needs to get 300 miles on a charge, and above all else, I need to be able to fully recharge it in 10 minutes or less. Do THAT, and I am sold.

[Slippy]

The electricity bill to charge it will cost more than the gas on an economy car. If everyone has an electric car of truck how will all that power be produced? The grids in California and Texas have already shut down because of weather or other draws the grid can't handle. This entire electric vehicle idea is undoable from the get-go. Electric bills will be insanely high.....wait for it.

Ford is also offering 2 years free charges in one of their charging stations after you buy a Ford F150 Lightning. Sounds like they keep upping the ante!

Regarding a drain on the grid, I think its pretty evident that most people will not get an EV. Hell, Tesla has sold a somewhere around 2 million vehicles (check my stat on that one, I'm going from memory) and I still rarely see one in the wild!

Plus, it seems as if the cost to charge a car is much less than the strain that microwaves, hairdryers and toaster ovens put on the grid daily!

But for me, I'm also thinking it would be a cool project to build a Solar Home Charging Station...

I'll keep my eyes and ears open and see how this Ford F150 EV thing progresses.

[A Watchman]

Ford is also offering 2 years free charges in one of their charging stations after you buy a Ford F150 Lightning. Sounds like they keep upping the ante!

Regarding a drain on the grid, I think its pretty evident that most people will not get an EV. Hell, Tesla has sold a somewhere around 2 million vehicles (check my stat on that one, I'm going from memory) and I still rarely see one in the wild!

Plus, it seems as if the cost to charge a car is much less than the strain that microwaves, hairdryers and toaster ovens put on the grid daily!

But for me, I'm also thinking it would be a cool project to build a Solar Home Charging Station...

I'll keep my eyes and ears open and see how this Ford F150 EV thing progresses.


But I am betting a new Owner has to buy his own skinny jeans, huh?

[bigwheel]

And yeah.. price out the replacement cost of the battery. Friend owns a “hybrid” and got a surprise.

The muslim next door tried to sell me a used Hybrid cheap...but not cheap enough for me to afford to buy batteries when the originals zonk out.

[Dwight55]

My position remains the same that it has always been. Electric vehicles are leaps and bounds ahead of internal combustion engines. Torque and horsepower of electric motors blow engines away. There is a reason all of your big locomotives that move thousands of tons of freight are ALL electric motor-driven. Ever see a Hellcat race a Tesla? I don't need engineers to produce a better electric motor. I need engineers to produce a better BATTERY. It needs to get 300 miles on a charge, and above all else, I need to be able to fully recharge it in 10 minutes or less. Do THAT, and I am sold.

"Do THAT, and I am sold."

I think we could play hockey over top of hell before that will come to pass.

I mean the place frozen solid . . . about 6 ft deep . . . and free ice skates and hockey sticks for everyone.

May God bless,
Dwight

[SGG]

https://youtu.be/yRDOrCFIY4c


Can't wake the banned. :pirateflag:

[red442joe]

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[Prepared One]

I think I'll stick with my good old fashioned gas guzzling truck. If I want to get across country it won't be in an electric truck. One of our corporate partners has an electric car as a company vehicle. I took a ride with him and the thing can move. I was surprised. But finding charging stations is a problem, especially once you start hitting the countryside. He has to carry different adapters for the different chargers and then there is the wait time to charge. I'll pass.

[shootbrownelk]

My position remains the same that it has always been. Electric vehicles are leaps and bounds ahead of internal combustion engines. Torque and horsepower of electric motors blow engines away. There is a reason all of your big locomotives that move thousands of tons of freight are ALL electric motor-driven. Ever see a Hellcat race a Tesla? I don't need engineers to produce a better electric motor. I need engineers to produce a better BATTERY. It needs to get 300 miles on a charge, and above all else, I need to be able to fully recharge it in 10 minutes or less. Do THAT, and I am sold.

Those electric motors in the locomotives are powered by gigantic diesel engines. They're a hybrid....lol

[shootbrownelk]

I think I'll stick with my good old fashioned gas guzzling truck. If I want to get across country it won't be in an electric truck. One of our corporate partners has an electric car as a company vehicle. I took a ride with him and the thing can move. I was surprised. But finding charging stations is a problem, especially once you start hitting the countryside. He has to carry different adapters for the different chargers and then there is the wait time to charge. I'll pass.

With the broken up and halfazzed electrical grid in the United States, electric vehicles are just not practical.

[shootbrownelk]

But I am betting a new Owner has to buy his own skinny jeans, huh?

And grow a man bun, and buy a 6.5 Creedmoor-n-more-n-more.

[Sparkyprep]

"Do THAT, and I am sold."

I think we could play hockey over top of hell before that will come to pass.

I mean the place frozen solid . . . about 6 ft deep . . . and free ice skates and hockey sticks for everyone.

May God bless,
Dwight

I'm sure someone, somewhere, at one time, said the same thing about people flying, or going to space, or going to the bottom of the ocean.....

[Sparkyprep]

Those electric motors in the locomotives are powered by gigantic diesel engines. They're a hybrid....lol

I figured someone was going to say that. My point is, a 20 cylinder, 10 liter diesel engine CANT produce enough torque to move a train, but it can run a generator, which powers an electric motor, that can easily move that train. Yes, they are hybrids, but a diesel engine alone can not make it happen.

[Mad Trapper]

I figured someone was going to say that. My point is, a 20 cylinder, 10 liter diesel engine CANT produce enough torque to move a train, but it can run a generator, which powers an electric motor, that can easily move that train. Yes, they are hybrids, but a diesel engine alone can not make it happen.

Steam and coal/wood could!

17024

[shootbrownelk]

I figured someone was going to say that. My point is, a 20 cylinder, 10 liter diesel engine CANT produce enough torque to move a train, but it can run a generator, which powers an electric motor, that can easily move that train. Yes, they are hybrids, but a diesel engine alone can not make it happen.

I know. I worked at the Milwaukee Road RR rebuilding those traction motors for years.

[Slippy]

I'm still studying up on this F150 EV and;

It appears to be the most economical full size pickup on the market today;
https://www.motorbiscuit.com/ford-f-150-lightning-pro-bargain/

Also, its a backup generator for home and/or RV
https://www.motortrend.com/news/fords-charge-station-pro-first-vehicle-to-grid-charger/

And it looks good! I'd rather have the vinyl seats and floors than leather any day of the week and Ford makes the vinyl look like leather.

https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/pictures/2022-ford-f-150-lightning-pro/

[Prepared One]

I'm still studying up on this F150 EV and;

It appears to be the most economical full size pickup on the market today;
https://www.motorbiscuit.com/ford-f-150-lightning-pro-bargain/

Also, its a backup generator for home and/or RV
https://www.motortrend.com/news/fords-charge-station-pro-first-vehicle-to-grid-charger/

And it looks good! I'd rather have the vinyl seats and floors than leather any day of the week and Ford makes the vinyl look like leather.

https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/pictures/2022-ford-f-150-lightning-pro/

When I bought my new truck the sales guy was surprised that I didn't want leather seats. Been there, done that. No thanks.

[Mad Trapper]

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[Ricekila]

What I do when I wait for Wifey at Target --- I park in a Tesla charging slot ---- if --- someone squawks --

A -- I'm waiting for some one that cant walk far & theres other spots for you --

B -- Go fuck yourself --

And --

https://hosting.photobucket.com/albums/v667/RICEKILA/Crap%20cars/.highres/smart%20car_zpssq33y20g.jpg?width=180&height=180&fit=bounds (https://hosting.photobucket.com/albums/v667/RICEKILA/Crap%20cars/.highres/smart%20car_zpssq33y20g.jpg?width=180&height=180&fit=bounds)

[Piratesailor]

Read this recent. I’ll just drop it right here

https://www.hotcars.com/towing-contest-ford-f-150-lightning-pickup-gmc-sierra-denali/

[Mad Trapper]

Read this recent. I’ll just drop it right here

https://www.hotcars.com/towing-contest-ford-f-150-lightning-pickup-gmc-sierra-denali/

I was going to post that link, until I read your post...........I don't ever see myself owning an electric.

[Piratesailor]

I was going to post that link, until I read your post...........I don't ever see myself owning an electric.

There was a much better longer article explaining it all but I couldn’t find it.

Yeah I’ll probably never own an electric vehicle either.

[Inor]

Read this recent. I’ll just drop it right here

https://www.hotcars.com/towing-contest-ford-f-150-lightning-pickup-gmc-sierra-denali/

I have to admit, when the Lightning came out I was damn excited about it. I was not "ready to buy it" excited, but I thought this is a pretty cool thing. Having a 70-100Kw battery with a BMS and charge controller already built in, I was thinking it could do double duty as a back up power supply for our house. I was thinking about giving it a few years to work out the bugs, then consider it as part of a larger strategy for divorcing myself further from polite society.

Then I saw that video on YouTube... Yeah, I am now thinkin' my next truck is going to be a diesel, in about 2 years...

[Slippy]

I'm right there with you, Inor. My gas F250 is fantastic and my next truck will diesel. I'd maybe buy the EV to commute and a backup power source but always have a gas/diesel for the hardwork.



I have to admit, when the Lightning came out I was damn excited about it. I was not "ready to buy it" excited, but I thought this is a pretty cool thing. Having a 70-100Kw battery with a BMS and charge controller already built in, I was thinking it could do double duty as a back up power supply for our house. I was thinking about giving it a few years to work out the bugs, then consider it as part of a larger strategy for divorcing myself further from polite society.

Then I saw that video on YouTube... Yeah, I am now thinkin' my next truck is going to be a diesel, in about 2 years...

[Dwight55]

As a Navy Electrician . . . I got all too much experience with them ding dong stupid batteries.

And diesels can be a real pain to get going in the nasty Ohio winters . . .

So I'm the gas guy in this conversation thread . . . and would love to be the hydrogen guy . . . but that just has not become "the" thing yet.

I'm thinking if these dingbats spent the time / money / effort in hydrogen that they have in batteries . . . we could all be driving on water.

May God bless,
Dwight

[Mad Trapper]

As a Navy Electrician . . . I got all too much experience with them ding dong stupid batteries.

And diesels can be a real pain to get going in the nasty Ohio winters . . .

So I'm the gas guy in this conversation thread . . . and would love to be the hydrogen guy . . . but that just has not become "the" thing yet.

I'm thinking if these dingbats spent the time / money / effort in hydrogen that they have in batteries . . . we could all be driving on water.

May God bless,
Dwight

I'd not want to be anywhere near a "hydrogen" station......idiots at gas stations are bad enough.

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[T-Man 1066]

Been a diesel guy for about 15 years, gas burner before that.

Current truck is '12 F-350 with 6.7 (Ford). 180,000 miles. Never not started in the cold (Ill./Wis. border) winters, never been plugged in. Didn't come factory with a 115 vac heater. Never left me stranded. Bone stock, all the power you realistically need. Lets see an electric truck roll a gravity wagon to the elevator, I have crossed the scale > 28,000#.

Last truck was a '03 F-350 with a 6.0 (Navistar). Had 195,000 when I got rid of it. That one did get plugged in, rattled and knocked for about 10 minutes on cold days. You could hear the turbo wine in the next county.

Negatives about newer diesels. EGR - doesn't not belong on a diesel. All sorts of problems from both trucks. Also letting your truck warm up in cold weather, yea, doesn't happen much at idle. Mine don't start making heat until about 5-8 miles in the trip. I can let it idle for 30 minutes before leaving, not even lukewarm heat.

Gas trucks - had a '96 with 351W, '81 with 400M, '79 with a 460, '78 with a 300 I-6, and a '76 with a 360.

Diesel = engine will last longer than the body (rust)
Gas - cheaper, engine will be dead before the body rusts off.
Electric = sad, but you pretend to smile because you don't want to admit EV's aren't good for trucks and you made a mistake...

[Dwight55]

I'd not want to be anywhere near a "hydrogen" station......idiots at gas stations are bad enough.

19097

In that instance . . . you are 100 % correct . . . and I'm with you there.

What needs to be developed is simply a cheap and efficient way of breaking water into H2 and O2. The H2 and the O . . . can then be piped into the cylinder . . . sparked . . . and combustion goes on . . . with water vapor being the exhaust.

I'm not the engineer who can make this happen . . . but I'm certain if the battery boys had gone this direction . . . Saudia Arabia and the rest of the towel heads would be begging for us to buy their oil at $.25 a barrel . . . to make grease, motor oil, and sewing machine oil.

May God bless,
Dwight

[Piratesailor]

06 duramax 2500hd. 332k. Bone stock.

Never an issue and never a code until yesterday. Cylinder 6 glow plug.

Says it’s TOO hot.

[red442joe]

I'd not want to be anywhere near a "hydrogen" station......idiots at gas stations are bad enough.

19097

Can you imagine Speedway People at a hydrogen station?!?!?!

Joe

[shootbrownelk]

Ford just recalled a shit-load of their electric vehicles because the pieces of shit started on fire. Now they're saying park your expensive Ford vehicles outside in the elements so you don't burn your house down and kill your family.

[T-Man 1066]

Ford just recalled a shit-load of their electric vehicles because the pieces of shit started on fire. Now they're saying park your expensive Ford vehicles outside in the elements so you don't burn your house down and kill your family.

I assume lithium batteries? Didn't dell computers or somebody's laptops catch fire a few years back?

About 20 years ago I was working at a shop, building a machine to process lithium for implantable batteries - think heart defibrillators and pacemakers. We built a 24 x 24 dry room, maintained about 0.5 to 0.3% relative humidity, lithium gets goofy when wet. Room even had an airlock chamber to get in.

Little fact: I took scrap lithium (think aluminum foil) wadded it up in a ball, and took it outside to the chip hopper, about 2' deep in rain water. Chunked it in. It catches fire when it gets wet, pops, explodes, I had a wad about the size of a plum that shot out of the dumpster and landed about 20' away. Burns green and toxic. Got a small lungful of the fumes. Thought I was going to the ER, couldn't get my lungs to quit burning. But sure, let's surgically implant that into people's bodies.

Another project used the same dry room. Made a battery for a secondary detonator for missiles, maybe the patriot missiles? If the missile hit it's target and did not explode, the shock activated the secondary detonator. It would explode when the batter went dead. Our batter was designed for a 3-6 second life. Did not want our tech to fall into turban hands... L3. Socom, maybe you have heard of this.

So when I hear of the fire potential, not surprised...

[Inor]

I assume lithium batteries? Didn't dell computers or somebody's laptops catch fire a few years back?

About 20 years ago I was working at a shop, building a machine to process lithium for implantable batteries - think heart defibrillators and pacemakers. We built a 24 x 24 dry room, maintained about 0.5 to 0.3% relative humidity, lithium gets goofy when wet. Room even had an airlock chamber to get in.

Little fact: I took scrap lithium (think aluminum foil) wadded it up in a ball, and took it outside to the chip hopper, about 2' deep in rain water. Chunked it in. It catches fire when it gets wet, pops, explodes, I had a wad about the size of a plum that shot out of the dumpster and landed about 20' away. Burns green and toxic. Got a small lungful of the fumes. Thought I was going to the ER, couldn't get my lungs to quit burning. But sure, let's surgically implant that into people's bodies.

Another project used the same dry room. Made a battery for a secondary detonator for missiles, maybe the patriot missiles? If the missile hit it's target and did not explode, the shock activated the secondary detonator. It would explode when the batter went dead. Our batter was designed for a 3-6 second life. Did not want our tech to fall into turban hands... L3. Socom, maybe you have heard of this.

So when I hear of the fire potential, not surprised...

If you want to have some fun, take an 18650 battery cell (the same cells in most cordless tools and laptops) and drive a galvanized nail through it. Don't use a hammer like you would driving a nail into a board; instead drive the nail all the way through a scrap of 2x4 and hit the battery cell with the nail in the 2x4 like a club. It's pretty cool to watch. Obviously, do it outside, well away from anything flammable.

Lithium battery cells are more power-dense than dynamite.

[T-Man 1066]

Our dry room had a removable wall to bring in and out larger components or complete machines. When we needed to open it up all of the coiled lithium went into a vessel that we purged with nitrogen and sealed air-tight. Definitely serious shit...

[MoreAmmoOK]

When asked what he thought about cell phones, the man who invented the lithium battery said something like, "There's no way I'd carry one of them in my pocket."

[Prepared One]

When asked what he thought about cell phones, the man who invented the lithium battery said something like, "There's no way I'd carry one of them in my pocket."

And right now, till I retire, I sometimes carry two of those damn things in my pocket. Never sure which one is ringing or if one of em will blow my ass off.

[MountainGirl]

And right now, till I retire, I sometimes carry two of those damn things in my pocket. Never sure which one is ringing or if one of em will blow my ass off.

Don't forget to factory reset one of them before you give it back. ;)

[Sparkyprep]

When asked what he thought about cell phones, the man who invented the lithium battery said something like, "There's no way I'd carry one of them in my pocket."

Meh. People used to be scared of explosions from driving gasoline-powered cars.

[StratBastard]

19776

[shootbrownelk]

Meh. People used to be scared of explosions from driving gasoline-powered cars.

Only if you were driving a Ford Pinto! Or a model A with the tank above your legs.

[Mad Trapper]

Meh. People used to be scared of explosions from driving gasoline-powered cars.

19879

[Mad Trapper]

19880

[Mad Trapper]

This was lifted off Gab

THIS NEEDS TO GO VIRAL

For those of you that think electric vehicles are the answer- this is a true story from a farmer in the Midwest- and I’m reposting it-
A close friend farms over 10,000 acres of corn in the mid-west. The property is spread out over 3 counties. His operation is a "partnership farm" with John Deere. They use the larger farm operations as demonstration projects for promotion and development of new equipment.

He recently received a phone call from his John Deere representative, and they want the farm to go to electric tractors and combines in 2023. He currently has 5 diesel combines that cost $900,000 each that are traded in every 3 years. Also, over 10 really BIG tractors.

JD wants him to go all electric soon.

He said: "Ok, I have some questions. How do I charge these combines when they are 3 counties away from the shop in the middle of a cornfield, in the middle of nowhere?" "How do I run them 24 hours a day for 10 or 12 days straight when the harvest is ready, and the weather is coming in?" "How do I get a 50,000+ lb. combine that takes up the width of an entire road back to the shop 20 miles away when the battery goes dead?"

There was dead silence on the other end of the phone.

When the corn is ready to harvest, it has to have the proper sugar and moisture content. If it is too wet, it has to be put in giant dryers that burn natural or propane gas, and lots of it. Harvest time is critical because if it degrades in sugar content or quality, it can drop the value of his crop by half a million dollars or more. It is analyzed at time of sale. It is standard procedure to run these machines 10 to 12 days straight, 24 hours a day at peak harvest time. When they need fuel, a tanker truck delivers it, and the machines keep going.

John Deere's only answer is "we're working on it." They are being pushed by the lefty Dems in the government to force these electric machines on the American farmer. These people are out of control. They are messing with the production of food crops that feed people and livestock... all in the name of their "green dream."

Look for the cost of your box of cornflakes to triple in the next 24 months...”

Wake up! Stand up! Speak up!
Let's return sanity to our nation.

[Piratesailor]

Yeah. I’ve read this before. The lunacy is astounding.

[Mad Trapper]

19957

19958

[Big Ken]

This is interesting if you can get through it but it doesn't make you want you to run out and get one.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5Du81G4qHs&t=1265s

[hawgrider]

Yeah no thanks.

[Prepared One]

Don't think I have seen a plug-in truck here in East Texas yet. For that matter, I have yet to see a charging station.

[SOCOM42]

Don't think I have seen a plug-in truck here in East Texas yet. For that matter, I have yet to see a charging station.

Here in Libtown PDR, I have hardly seen any charging stations around in the big city or the towns abutting it.

One place, I must say has 20? stations, never in the last year, that I have drove by them

was there anyone on charge, and in the middle of the day.

I think I may have seen a couple on charge in other locations.

I will pay closer attention to them tomorrow when we are out shopping.

I think Brandon needs one of those charger heads shoved up his ass and put on quick charge.

Then again, some batteries will not take a charge again no matter what. FJB!

[SOCOM42]

Only if you were driving a Ford Pinto! Or a model A with the tank above your legs.

OR, a plane with 200 gallons between you and the engine!

[Mad Trapper]

I think Brandon needs one of those charger heads shoved up his ass and put on quick charge.

Then again, some batteries will not take a charge again no matter what. FJB!


Americans would pay to see that happen!!!

[StratBastard]

20192 20193

[Big Ken]

Earlier on in this thread I posted about the new GMC Hummer and at the time thought it'd be my next truck, well after all this time and reading posts here and elsewhere, watching videos about how non practical they are I decided to go with a gas truck, I will never get anything that you have to plug in before you can drive it.

[Inor]

Earlier on in this thread I posted about the new GMC Hummer and at the time thought it'd be my next truck, well after all this time and reading posts here and elsewhere, watching videos about how non practical they are I decided to go with a gas truck, I will never get anything that you have to plug in before you can drive it.

Agreed 110%!

When the Lightning was first announced, I was pretty excited. Mostly I liked the idea of a huge battery that I could use as backup for the house that could also be used for transportation. But if it cannot even do basic "truck things", it is not much good. I guess I'll go back to my original plan of waiting a couple more years, then getting a big honkin' diesel.

[Mad Trapper]

20199

[Slippy]

Agreed 110%!

When the Lightning was first announced, I was pretty excited. Mostly I liked the idea of a huge battery that I could use as backup for the house that could also be used for transportation. But if it cannot even do basic "truck things", it is not much good. I guess I'll go back to my original plan of waiting a couple more years, then getting a big honkin' diesel.

I've owned my F250 Super Duty for nearly 3 years now and I will never not have a 3/4 Ton or 1 ton Pick up! It simply is too versatile and powerful and gets done what I need to get done with power to spare.

Having said that, I still like the idea of an alternative fuel source vehicle that fits a niche. Technology continues to improve so it bears keeping an eye on EV.

[Piratesailor]

By the time the technology gets there to make EV (and other “clean power) actually practical, we’ll be long gone.

Not to mention EVs are a scam environmentally

[Inor]

By the time the technology gets there to make EV (and other “clean power) actually practical, we’ll be long gone.

Not to mention EVs are a scam environmentally

Who gives a shit about the "environment"?!? I just want some BIG FRIGGIN' batteries! If I could find some 2V batteries from an old diesel-electric submarine cheap, I would buy them in a heartbeat! I WANT POWER BABY!!!

[Slippy]

I chuckle out loud when I'm with a group of folks and the subject of Electric Vehicles comes up and people are surprised when I explain to them I am in favor of EV's Big Time!

Most folks immediately assume its due to environmental bullshat and I explain that has nothing to do with that. It's all about battery technology, an alternate fuel source and something way cool.

Fuck Global Warming/Climate Change Fools, plus I don't give a shit if small children in Africa or China are enslaved to mine for lithium I can't control that or any thing else...

I'm here for the POWER!

And I am 1000000000000% AGANST GOV MANDATES OF ANY KIND!

[Big Ken]

https://i.imgur.com/spKG5cM.jpg

[Big Ken]

"Man Plugs $80k+ Electric Truck Into His House, Finds Out It Will Take Over 4 Days to Charge"

"Congratulations. You’ve just purchased one of the most expensive high-performance electric trucks on the market.

You’ve gone green and you’ve done it in style with the GMC Hummer, starting at $86,645. That’s right — the Hummer’s now a green vehicle! What was once the biggest villain in the left’s war on fossil fuels is now the poster child for responsible off-roading."

More Here:
https://www.westernjournal.com/man-plugs-80k-electric-truck-house-finds-will-take-4-days-charge/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=westernjournalism&utm_content=2022-10-01&utm_campaign=manualpost

[hawgrider]

4 days lolololol !

[T-Man 1066]

Remember kids, when the eletric goes out, no EV rechargey...

Some impacted by the hurricane are learning that now.

[Big Ken]

" Electric vehicle owner learns replacing a tail light costs over $4,000 "

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/restoring-america/community-family/hummer-electric-vehicle-tail-light-costs-4-000?fbclid=IwAR3BZiDHdT3EkX2B9F6ok5GwS4xAL2AZrg4K8 NZGjvf7phgjCzD32iJ6d9w

[hawgrider]

Not using 1157 bulbs eh. Lol!

[Big Ken]

" Not a Joke: Ford Says Don't Use Heater in Electric Truck in Winter to Save Battery - But That's Not All "

https://www.westernjournal.com/not-joke-ford-says-dont-use-heater-electric-truck-winter-save-battery-not/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=teaparty&utm_content=2022-12-07&utm_campaign=manualpost&fbclid=IwAR2ci5GfO7S7ior0ZRsBzYLZ_jDVPLaTekxpQfcxn xEBfiQ-xmIX1kLCjZM

[Inor]

" Not a Joke: Ford Says Don't Use Heater in Electric Truck in Winter to Save Battery - But That's Not All "

https://www.westernjournal.com/not-joke-ford-says-dont-use-heater-electric-truck-winter-save-battery-not/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=teaparty&utm_content=2022-12-07&utm_campaign=manualpost&fbclid=IwAR2ci5GfO7S7ior0ZRsBzYLZ_jDVPLaTekxpQfcxn xEBfiQ-xmIX1kLCjZM

What is a "Death Camp For Cutie"?!? It sounds like a venereal disease you would catch at a disco not something the average F150 driver would know about.

[shootbrownelk]

What is a "Death Camp For Cutie"?!? It sounds like a venereal disease you would catch at a disco not something the average F150 driver would know about.

Isn't Death Camp for Cutie the place that the 8 ft. tall, halfrican, carpet munching, basketball playing Brittany Griner was being held at in Russia?

[Slippy]

Isn't Death Camp for Cutie the place that the 8 ft. tall, halfrican, carpet munching, basketball playing Brittany Griner was being held at in Russia?

er, my definition of a "cutie" is certainly not that brittany-griner dude...:biglaugh:

[T-Man 1066]

That thing is ugly enough to make a freight train back up and take a dirt road...

[shootbrownelk]

er, my definition of a "cutie" is certainly not that brittany-griner dude...:biglaugh:

That's what Reverend Al Sharpton reportedly calls her/him/It.

[StratBastard]

That thing is ugly enough to make a freight train back up and take a dirt road...

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[Slippy]

2090120902

Can't take credit for it, but heard a guy say that the WNBA would benefit from tranny dudes taking it over.

Serious question; Has anyone watched an entire women's basketball game? And no, it doesn't count if your daughter is playing...

[T-Man 1066]

Can't take credit for it, but heard a guy say that the WNBA would benefit from tranny dudes taking it over.

Serious question; Has anyone watched an entire women's basketball game? And no, it doesn't count if your daughter is playing...

People actually watch basketball? :thinking::lame:

[Prepared One]

I used to watch men's basketball back in the days of Larry Bird and Magic. I have never for one second watched a woman's basketball game. That would be like watching Soccer, I would rather have my eyes poked out with a sharp stick.

[Slippy]

I was a Summer League Youth Basketball Coach once.

It was the summer before I went to High School so I was in the 8th grade,14 yrs old. I couldn't afford a YMCA Membership and Dad sure as shit wasn't going to pay for one, so I got a free membership but the catch was I had to "coach" a bunch of little kids in basketball!

Y'all kinda know me so you can guess what kind of cluster-puck that was! I realized at the first practice that these little kids didn't give a crap about basketball and didn't have the brain development to learn anyway, so I just tossed all the basketballs on the court and let them run wild for an hour until they got hot, tired and thirsty!

Hindsight? I was a freakin' GENIUS! Most of the parents loved it because their kid was tired but there was one or two parents that got all pissy and complained. Other than that I got nothing about basketball...

Anyway, I got a free membership to the Y for the summer and that was good enough for 14 year old me!

[White Shadow]

Never had an interest in thugball. Always seemed kind of like gangs with better uniforms.

[Piratesailor]

When the wnba first started, their first season, we went to a game. It was actually pretty good. Some had great talent. Trust me, I played ball in college and Europe. But, never went back. Never saw another game and the BS went down hill from there until it is what it is today… nothing.

[Sparkyprep]

Never had an interest in thugball. Always seemed kind of like gangs with better uniforms.

African Tree Hockey?

[TJC44]

I USED to be a big UCONN Women's BB fan. Back in the days of Taurasi, Bird, Cash. That was when they were the cream of the crop. Lost interest when they started playing like the men's teams.

[Mad Trapper]

20996

[MountainGirl]

I could argue either side of the debate podium regarding Electric Vehicles but I've studied up a bit on the new Ford F150 Lightning (Pro Model for $39.9k and so far I'm pretty impressed.

What say you knuckleheads?


Sorry to bump the OP up so far... but you came strong to mind when I saw this vid today.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvc0hmovZvE&t=247s

[Slippy]

I stayed at a swanky hotel last week...and a thought came to me...the Electric Vehicle Charging Stations are all preferred parking so my plan is to buy a $7 EV charging port from Amazon and attach it to my F250 with 2 sided tape, plug the charger into the fake charging port.

Hilarity should ensue...

But in the case of my hotel stay last week, I was one of maybe 5 guests at this mountain hotel so I just parked my truck under the front door entrance way and nobody said shit to me! :)

21236

21235

[Box of frogs]

Damn nice looking accommodations.

[bigwheel]

One of the Granddsons has some pals with Teslas. They got some outreagous electric bills trying to keep the things charged up during the recent cold snap according to the rumors.
https://cars.usnews.com/cars-trucks/advice/tesla-charging-cost

[shootbrownelk]

I am totally apalled at the ignorance portrayed by electric vehicle mfgrs and sellers and buyers.

1. 300 miles is just a decent road trip . . . one way . . . and you gotta charge to get back.

2. Using the saw out in the woods will use up your battery . . . and I'll just bet that will be a long walk and and expensive "tow" bill when you are rescued.

3. There is no current . . . or forseeable future . . . place to discard these batteries when they go bad . . . and they are from what I've read . . . not able to be recycled.

4. A HUGE LOT of the technology to run them comes out of chink chong china . . . and who is to say there is not a "chip" piece in it that can be turned off some day in the future . . . that would turn it off . . . dead in the water . . . not useable.

5. It costs approximately (today) 3 times the fuel to extricate the resources to build one as the thing will save over it's projected life time.

Now . . . is there anyone out there that has an honest . . . workable . . . answer for the above . . . ??

Yeah . . . didn't think so.

May God bless,
Dwight

When the wife and I used to do a lot of day trips in Wyoming, 400 miles was a minimum. An electric piece of crap wouldn't have enough range in the mountains in the cold. There is a bill pending right now in the Wyoming legislature to BAN the sales and use of electric vehicles by 2025.

[bigwheel]

Back to lithium batteries..and pretty old news but it seems like Bidens Handlers turned over one of the worlds richest deposits of Lithium to the Chicoms when he ran off from Afghanistan in addition to turnning over billions of dollars worth of military equipment to the Relgion of Peace folks.
https://www.ibtimes.com/biden-lets-china-grab-worlds-biggest-lithium-deposits-botched-afghanistan-exit-3275908

[Slippy]

When the wife and I used to do a lot of day trips in Wyoming, 400 miles was a minimum. An electric piece of crap wouldn't have enough range in the mountains in the cold. There is a bill pending right now in the Wyoming legislature to BAN the sales and use of electric vehicles by 2025.

As you know, me and Mrs S LOVE Wyoming. One day soon Good Lord Willing and the Creek don't rise, we might have us a little patch of Eastern Wyoming or Western South Dakota Black Hills dirt!

I am not in favor of governments mandating Electric Vehicles and I am not in favor of governements banning electric vehicles. Gov can simply stay out of the way.

But I get the point that EV's are not suitable to WY!

[Slippy]

To Add;

https://kgab.com/wyoming-lawmakers-to-consider-resolution-against-electric-cars/

Wyoming is considering a Resolution, which is not a law. So, I can live with that!

God Bless Wyoming!

[Mad Trapper]

21299

[T-Man 1066]

I just threw up...

[bigwheel]

Is that the state where some of the Sheep herders got arrested for bigamy..or was that Montana maybe? Those states are close together on the map. Thanks.

[Big Ken]

" Furious EV Owners Post Videos Of their Expensive Cars ‘Failing To Work In The Cold’ Amid Freezing Blizzard Conditions "

https://www.sarahpalin.com/2023/679741/furious-ev-owners-post-videos-of-their-expensive-cars-failing-to-work-in-the-cold-amid-freezing-blizzard-conditions/?fbclid=IwAR1ocXFwQPs_SgYnEqm19xxbXdd2W1tbRmSbdgI7 H6QpMKK0886aa0LjZIo

[Mad Trapper]

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[Mad Trapper]

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[Mad Trapper]

26140

[Slippy]

26140

OUCH! That sucks. But saving the world and all that nonsense right! HA

[Inor]

26140

I'm currently tinkering around with some electronics stuff to create a couple new tools for use at home. Through the course of my tinkering, a thought occurred to me...

To manipulate voltages on various circuits, we use resisters. The way resisters work is they basically "absorb" excess voltage. That "absorbed" voltage is given off as heat energy. Has anybody in the "green retard" camp bothered to ask the question: Doesn't the heat energy given off by the resisters (and LEDs, coils, etc.), contribute to "global warming"?!?! Or maybe they have decided that is a "different kind of heat" that doesn't count... Just sayin'.

[shootbrownelk]

When is Biden going to get his ugly metallic pea Corvette retrofitted from gas to electric?

[TJC44]

I'm currently tinkering around with some electronics stuff to create a couple new tools for use at home. Through the course of my tinkering, a thought occurred to me...

To manipulate voltages on various circuits, we use resisters. The way resisters work is they basically "absorb" excess voltage. That "absorbed" voltage is given off as heat energy. Has anybody in the "green retard" camp bothered to ask the question: Doesn't the heat energy given off by the resisters (and LEDs, coils, etc.), contribute to "global warming"?!?! Or maybe they have decided that is a "different kind of heat" that doesn't count... Just sayin'.

Ha! Microprocessors are even worse! Notice that most need to have a heatsink of some sort to dissipate the excess heat. Now, how many computers does the modern car have on board? 3-6 at least. How many computers does an EV have? All drawing energy from those batteries, and all dissipating heat. Hmmm:thinking:

[red442joe]

Heat...really?
Geez...
Stop swallowing the b.s.

Joe

[BucketBack]

https://scontent-ord5-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/407391888_349936477640312_7950297664166781958_n.jp g?_nc_cat=1&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=dd5e9f&_nc_ohc=42y0g-IvIhkAX99jmEt&_nc_ht=scontent-ord5-2.xx&oh=00_AfDacWhZtlv__u9SVwtn3h-Uv5tP8_eFp0_-rnkfr4UGDg&oe=6570C300



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PpAhjOvQVj0