Weeds

[Mad Trapper]

Was out in the garden pulling up weeds and there were a few I didn't know much about. Did a little reading and found a couple good websites for reference.

The weed I was trying to identify was a biennial, Spanish Needles. Bidens bipinnata


They were mixed in with my potatoes that overwintered in the garden. I'd skipped weeding the taters for a while as we had so much rain last two months I didn't want them get late blight from having wet soil on them. I need to make sure I get rid of all of the weeds as they are now two years old and will produce seed this year.

Reference picture from 2nd reference: 24033

Getting Rid Of Weeds Through Integrated Weed Management

https://growiwm.org/

Weed Identification
A really comprehensive listing and a systematic way to identify weeds along with detailed pictures

https://weedid.cals.vt.edu/selectors/1?hab=15&lshp=0&thorn=73

Also came upon this site has a section on weeds, that are edible, along with other wild edibles. Good color pictures. Weeds, trees/shrubs, fungi, aquatic plants, flowers....

Foraging for Wild Food Guide

https://www.ediblewildfood.com/foraging-for-food.aspx

[BucketBack]

I was told the weeds in my yard are GTG. I'll check it out

[1skrewsloose]

I read somewhere that depending on the terrain, weeds are a good thing, they have deeper root structure better to withstand erosion from heavy rains/floods. Not sure, I may have just pulled that out of my butt.

[Mad Trapper]

I read somewhere that depending on the terrain, weeds are a good thing, they have deeper root structure better to withstand erosion from heavy rains/floods. Not sure, I may have just pulled that out of my butt.

Some are good cover crops.

I weed around Lambs Quarters. They are more nutritious than spinach and varmints will eat them and leave other vegetables alone. You can blanch the young plants and freeze like spinach too. A large plant produces many thousands of seeds so they also can suppress other noxious weeds.

[BucketBack]

wild lettuce has taken over a 1/2 acre, and some other weed you boil down for pain creams

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Wild Lettuce For Pain

Much like opium, this plant is extremely effective at reducing pain.

Many equate its pain control to that of ibuprofen or aspirin in this regard.

Here are a few of the more common pain-control uses:

chronic pain
arthritis (joint pain)
painful menstrual cycles in women
headaches and migraines
pain from bruises/broken bones/cuts

https://www.skilledsurvival.com/wild-lettuce/

https://www.ediblewildfood.com/edible-weeds-3.aspx

[1skrewsloose]

I like this thread, there's a show on TV, guy and his bud go into the woods pick plants in the wild and make a meal out of them. Interesting stuff.

[BucketBack]

I have to make some cream for a friend with juvenile arthritis. He's on the other side of the state, but will trade zucchini for some .....

He told me to get out and get the 'shrooms after the rain.

Ya, as soon as the boxes are emptied and the ones in my SUV are moved in

[Mad Trapper]

wild lettuce has taken over a 1/2 acre, and some other weed you boil down for pain creams

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Wild Lettuce For Pain

Much like opium, this plant is extremely effective at reducing pain.

Many equate its pain control to that of ibuprofen or aspirin in this regard.

Here are a few of the more common pain-control uses:

chronic pain
arthritis (joint pain)
painful menstrual cycles in women
headaches and migraines
pain from bruises/broken bones/cuts

https://www.skilledsurvival.com/wild-lettuce/

https://www.ediblewildfood.com/edible-weeds-3.aspx

I'll see if that's growing around my place. Do you make the cream from the sap? Read up a little and it mentioned 1-year old plant's sap (milky) had highest concentrations of active ingredients.

Also mentioned chickory and dandelion also contained those compounds.

[shootbrownelk]

I was told the weeds in my yard are GTG. I'll check it out

Wildwood Weed?

[BucketBack]

Not that type. The other one I'm pulling is plantain. I was told it's good for rubbing the leaf on bee stings or scrapes

[Sparkyprep]

Anyone know of a pasture-safe spray weed killer that kills fennel, and other weeds without harming grass?

[Slippy]

Anyone know of a pasture-safe spray weed killer that kills fennel, and other weeds without harming grass?

Good question, I use a lot of 43% and 53% glyphosate (chemical found in brush and weed killers like Roundup etc) and sometimes I over-spray in areas I wished I hadn't. Tractor Supply is my go to on glyphosate. https://www.tractorsupply.com/tsc/catalog/grass-weed-killers

Glyphosate ERADICATES dang near everything "green" it touches. Other than that, I got nothing on selective weed killer that doesn't harm grasses.

Bump for answers!

[Sparkyprep]

Good question, I use a lot of 43% and 53% glyphosate (chemical found in brush and weed killers like Roundup etc) and sometimes I over-spray in areas I wished I hadn't. Tractor Supply is my go to on glyphosate. https://www.tractorsupply.com/tsc/catalog/grass-weed-killers

Glyphosate ERADICATES dang near everything "green" it touches. Other than that, I got nothing on selective weed killer that doesn't harm grasses.

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Yea. I've been spot-spraying with Round-Up, but I was hoping to find something I could just blanket-spray the whole pasture with. Would save me a lot of time and energy. It was 103 degrees today.

[Mad Trapper]

Yea. I've been spot-spraying with Round-Up, but I was hoping to find something I could just blanket-spray the whole pasture with. Would save me a lot of time and energy. It was 103 degrees today.

Pretty sure there is stuff that does broad leaf and not grasses. Maybe vice versa too.

Can you run a disc over it before it seeds?

Also took a look into it, mow before > 6". Repeat......Got a rotary cutter?

https://blogs.ifas.ufl.edu/bakerco/2017/10/18/dogfennel-control-pastures/

This one might be best for you Sparky

[T-Man 1066]

IIRC 2-4-D kills broadleaf. Glysophate (Round-Up) is grass killer, that is why field corn you buy as Round Up Ready 2. It is glysophate resistant. Don't quote me on this, but IIRC when I sprayed I used 36 OZ of glysophate, about 8 OZ of 2-4-D, and a surfactant to help with bonding. Mixed with 20-25 gallons of water per acre, on an air sprayer. My sprayer was only 36' boom, eventually I sold it and just hired COOP to spray for me, 90' booms. Money well spent. All I had to do was keep my Monsanto license current, and sign affirmation that all my seeds were Round Up Ready 2.

In my experience, disking or using a rotary hoe might push the weeds back about10-20 days, and if they have reasonable roots, then you may only knock down about 40-60% of them. Rotary hoe works better if you got a bad weed infestation, but they like to wrap around spindles. Moldboard plowing works better for weed destruction, but takes about 25-30 HP per 16" plowshare, so a 4-16 like my old Mini-Mo I had, used most of my 120HP tractor. I tried it with a 706 Farmall that dynoed about 50-55 HP, and I could stall the tractor if I went to full depth. You are moving a tremendous amount of soil, scouring helps, if you can get into a sandy field for about 5 acres, natural polishing.

[Mad Trapper]

IIRC 2-4-D kills broadleaf. Glysophate (Round-Up) is grass killer, that is why field corn you buy as Round Up Ready 2. It is glysophate resistant. Don't quote me on this, but IIRC when I sprayed I used 36 OZ of glysophate, about 8 OZ of 2-4-D, and a surfactant to help with bonding. Mixed with 20-25 gallons of water per acre, on an air sprayer. My sprayer was only 36' boom, eventually I sold it and just hired COOP to spray for me, 90' booms. Money well spent. All I had to do was keep my Monsanto license current, and sign affirmation that all my seeds were Round Up Ready 2.

In my experience, disking or using a rotary hoe might push the weeds back about10-20 days, and if they have reasonable roots, then you may only knock down about 40-60% of them. Rotary hoe works better if you got a bad weed infestation, but they like to wrap around spindles. Moldboard plowing works better for weed destruction, but takes about 25-30 HP per 16" plowshare, so a 4-16 like my old Mini-Mo I had, used most of my 120HP tractor. I tried it with a 706 Farmall that dynoed about 50-55 HP, and I could stall the tractor if I went to full depth. You are moving a tremendous amount of soil, scouring helps, if you can get into a sandy field for about 5 acres, natural polishing.

Roundup/gyphosate kills everything.

GMO corn is gylposhate resistant/Monsanto crap. It's made it's way into the food chain, corn oils etc.....

[Box of frogs]

2.4D for broadleaf
MSMA for grass type weeds
RM43 if you don’t ever want it to grow again in your lifetime.

BoF

[T-Man 1066]

Roundup/gyphosate kills everything.

GMO corn is gylposhate resistant/Monsanto crap. It's made it's way into the food chain, corn oils etc.....

More than corn. Back in probably 2016 or so I was planting RoundUp ready Alfalfa, and of course Dicamba tolerant soybeans... Good or bad GMO is here to stay for the moment. Otherwise, we could go back to non-GMO conventional corn, and enjoy 45 bu/ac yields instead of 270 bu/ac.

[Inor]

EXCELLENT THREAD GUYS!!!!

I have to plow up our pasture so I can get more and better pasture grasses growing. Right now, it is just native high-desert grass. That is fine but it requires about 40 acres per beef. I need to get it planted with something that is a little more fast growing and dense as I am going broke buying hay at more than $22 per bale!

I was waiting until after the monsoons this year to plow it hoping the rains would soften the ground up some. But since it is starting to look like we might not get a monsoon this year, I need to get going pretty soon on the plowing with or without the rain.

[Mad Trapper]

More than corn. Back in probably 2016 or so I was planting RoundUp ready Alfalfa, and of course Dicamba tolerant soybeans... Good or bad GMO is here to stay for the moment. Otherwise, we could go back to non-GMO conventional corn, and enjoy 45 bu/ac yields instead of 270 bu/ac.

I'm sure there are ways for good yields without dealing with Monsteranto.

I stopped buying most GMO stuff but it is hard for corn and soy containing products. They infest everything.

[Box of frogs]

EXCELLENT THREAD GUYS!!!!

I have to plow up our pasture so I can get more and better pasture grasses growing. Right now, it is just native high-desert grass. That is fine but it requires about 40 acres per beef. I need to get it planted with something that is a little more fast growing and dense as I am going broke buying hay at more than $22 per bale!

I was waiting until after the monsoons this year to plow it hoping the rains would soften the ground up some. But since it is starting to look like we might not get a monsoon this year, I need to get going pretty soon on the plowing with or without the rain.

Inor - what are you considering planting.
I have a similar situation. I have a field planted in mainly St Augustine that I want to convert to a pasture grass.
St Augustine is similar to Centipede grass. Low and slow growing turf that goes dormant in winter.
I need a year round grass that can take full sun and I don’t believe fescue is it.
I was considering a blend of Bermuda and fescue.
If you’re on to a different grass please share the information
BoF

[Sparkyprep]

Inor - what are you considering planting.
I have a similar situation. I have a field planted in mainly St Augustine that I want to convert to a pasture grass.
St Augustine is similar to Centipede grass. Low and slow growing turf that goes dormant in winter.
I need a year round grass that can take full sun and I don’t believe fescue is it.
I was considering a blend of Bermuda and fescue.
If you’re on to a different grass please share the information
BoF

For pasture grass in Florida (super hot, direct sun) i recommend bahaia grass. It is super-hearty, but it isn't very "pretty". The cows love it, and it has a good protein content.

[BucketBack]

I used to recommend Fescue seed for shady areas such as under trees, circa 1973.

[T-Man 1066]

I'm sure there are ways for good yields without dealing with Monsteranto.

I stopped buying most GMO stuff but it is hard for corn and soy containing products. They infest everything.

After re-reading my post about yields, there is alot more to corn yield than just being round up ready. Obviously genetic modifications over the last 50 years, precision planting, fertilizers, soil amendments, as well as weed control all play a role in yielding. What I was really trying to speak to, was if you go back to farming like its the 40's, manure spreader, moldboard plowing, cultivating, non gmo seed, appropriate populations, you will likely get the yields of the 40's.

[Inor]

Inor - what are you considering planting.
I have a similar situation. I have a field planted in mainly St Augustine that I want to convert to a pasture grass.
St Augustine is similar to Centipede grass. Low and slow growing turf that goes dormant in winter.
I need a year round grass that can take full sun and I don’t believe fescue is it.
I was considering a blend of Bermuda and fescue.
If you’re on to a different grass please share the information
BoF

I'm not sure yet what I am going to plant. I have a call out to an agronomist to give me some advice on it. Alfalfa in this area is not a good option because it is likely to cause bloating in the beef. There is also some kind of beetle that is attracted to alfalfa and is deadly to cattle. Bermuda might be an option. Another one that I know will work here is perennial rye grass. But I want to learn what other options I have before I make a final decision.

[Box of frogs]

Alfalfa is supposed to take a shit load of water to grow.
That’s all I know about it.
BoF