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    WA State Bans Less Lethal Police Tools and Tactics

    asses radical reforms banning less lethal weapon options
    July 26, 2021
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    Rarely does anything good happen when politicians get involved in sound law enforcement practices and the state of Washington is about to experience a level of crime that they have never had in the past. For now, the radical police reform law, recently passed by Governor Jay Inslee (D) is causing massive confusion for its vagueness and lack of details within law enforcement agencies across the state.

    The new police reform laws, which took effect on Sunday and prompted by the death of George Floyd, has sent law enforcement scrambling to decide what they can and cannot do.

    Kent Chief Rafael Padilla said that “When you take the legislation and apply it, that’s when you really learn how effective it’s going to be. The challenge is — I’m going to be very frank — the laws were written very poorly, and the combination of them all at the same time has led to there being conflicts in clarity and in what was intended versus what was written.”

    We can’t begin to tell you how dangerous the law is, but officers can no longer use any level of force, including handcuffing, until they have probable cause for a crime. When probable cause is observed, officers must first de-escalate before using force. That means that suspicious behavior and even pre-attack indicators prior to an actual assault or attempted murder on a police officer, cannot be dealt with in a safe manner. That would typically mean handcuffing someone or even grabbing their arm if they refuse to take their hands out of their pockets or reach into a car is off limits.

    Now, with any type of force possible after “reasonable suspicion” and cops threatened with prison for doing what every federal court in the country says is legal, cops will have to see potentially dangerous behavior but wait until the higher level of “probable cause” of a crime is observed to begin de-escalation long before they can protect themselves.

    None of this complies with any case law passed in the last three decades.

    The Executive Director of the Washington Association of Sheriffs and Police Chiefs, Steve Strachan, said in a statement that “we owe it to the public we serve to be candid and share that we are deeply concerned that some policing reforms may have unintended outcomes that result in increased levels of confusion, frustration, victimization, and increased crime within our communities.”

    Those “unintended consequences” have already begun as many chiefs will be forced to no longer respond to any incident that does not detail an actual crime such as suicidal subjects, check the well-being and mental health calls simply to protect their officers from criminal or civil punishment.

    The reform also places a restriction on military grade weaponry that would inadvertently ban some less-lethal impact weapons, including the shotguns police use to fire beanbag rounds. The Spokane Police Department and the King County Sheriff’s Department have already turned their less lethal weapons in because of the reform.

    Ultimately, the unintended consequences and this ridiculous assault on law enforcement will do three things.

    It will drive cops out of the state.

    It will hurt and kill more cops.

    Crime and violence will peak, killing and hurting more citizens in the state of Washington.

    Cops are already fleeing. Seattle has lost hundreds in the last year and the Kent Police Department has lost close to a third of their officers. Many officers throughout the state have taken jobs in Montana and Idaho where we assume they have heard of the United States Supreme Court and there will be more to come.



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    It's got to be great to have the inmates running the asylum. Thought working in prison was a lot of fun!. At least there we had pepper spray and could use cuffs to restrain a rambunksious individual.

    Now as a Contract Court Security Officer for the USMS we have cuffs and a hand gun. No OC, no baton, no TASER so it's hands on to deadly force and nothing in between.

    Definitely know how the Washington Police Chiefs fell

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    This is the same kind of PC/SJW crap they did to us in Baghdad with ROE/RUF.
    "Every person’s life is theirs by right. An individual’s life can and must belong only to himself, not to any society or community, or he is then but a slave. No one can deny another person their right to their life, nor seize by force what is produced by someone else, because that is stealing their means to sustain their life. It is treason against mankind to hold a knife to a man’s throat and dictate how he must live his life."



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    The state and local cops will quit and Joe will send in federal cops. That’s the plan.
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    There was a segment on local tv here (Spokane area) of a meeting of all first responders. All the LEOs of different jurisdictions (city, county, etc) were standing together, and the Spokane PD Chief was in front of them addressing the fire, ambulance, rescue, etc (mental health workers?) people in the room. Here's what he said to them: (paraphrased)

    "I want to apologize to you. Now, under the new rules, whenever we're dispatched to any disturbance, domestic assault or otherwise, where there might be injuries and you are responding too, you will have to go in first. We have to remain in the background until you are assaulted."

    So fkd up. Many not happy people here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MountainGirl View Post
    So fkd up. Many not happy people here.
    You know, %75 of the social workers (CPS etc) I've met are not just Left, but HARD LEFT so its hard to have sympathy for them.

    They are getting exactly what they asked for, just not what they wanted.
    "Every person’s life is theirs by right. An individual’s life can and must belong only to himself, not to any society or community, or he is then but a slave. No one can deny another person their right to their life, nor seize by force what is produced by someone else, because that is stealing their means to sustain their life. It is treason against mankind to hold a knife to a man’s throat and dictate how he must live his life."



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    Quote Originally Posted by juskom95 View Post
    You know, %75 of the social workers (CPS etc) I've met are not just Left, but HARD LEFT so its hard to have sympathy for them.

    They are getting exactly what they asked for, just not what they wanted.
    Agree totally re the social workers.

    It's the fire, rescue, ambulance personnel I feel for. Other than in Spokane - a lot of the responders up here are volunteer. The LE doesn't like this at all.
    Now deferring to the judgement of horses ~ because Truth comes in 30 round bursts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MountainGirl View Post
    Agree totally re the social workers.

    It's the fire, rescue, ambulance personnel I feel for. Other than in Spokane - a lot of the responders up here are volunteer. The LE doesn't like this at all.
    They should have quit a long time ago honestly. This isn't something that happened overnight, many out there (myself included) were warning about this and have been for years.

    They don't like it, they need to move. If they won't because of family . . . . well, just like in my situation, its my mess in my city/state, we have to deal with it on our own.
    "Every person’s life is theirs by right. An individual’s life can and must belong only to himself, not to any society or community, or he is then but a slave. No one can deny another person their right to their life, nor seize by force what is produced by someone else, because that is stealing their means to sustain their life. It is treason against mankind to hold a knife to a man’s throat and dictate how he must live his life."



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