NATO in Ukraine

[Chiefster23]

It’s common knowledge that the US and U.K. gave long range weapons to Ukraine. And Zelenski is using them, but at reduced ranges due to restrictions from Biden and boys. Ok, Putin threatened open war against nato if these weapons are used inside Russia. Supposedly because they require satellite data and operational training that the Ukes don’t have and would require NATO operators. Thus directly involving NATO folks in the war. But Zelinski is already using these weapons at reduced ranges. Therefore stands to reason that NATO operatives are already there. DUH! He already has his justification for war against NATO and the USA.

[MountainGirl]

It’s common knowledge that the US and U.K. gave long range weapons to Ukraine. And Zelenski is using them, but at reduced ranges due to restrictions from Biden and boys. Ok, Putin threatened open war against nato if these weapons are used inside Russia. Supposedly because they require satellite data and operational training that the Ukes don’t have and would require NATO operators. Thus directly involving NATO folks in the war. But Zelinski is already using these weapons at reduced ranges. Therefore stands to reason that NATO operatives are already there. DUH! He already has his justification for war against NATO and the USA.

PO just came in and told me an oil facility inside Russia was hit/destroyed by a missile. Not drone, missile. I'm looking now for a link.

[Mad Trapper]

It’s common knowledge that the US and U.K. gave long range weapons to Ukraine. And Zelenski is using them, but at reduced ranges due to restrictions from Biden and boys. Ok, Putin threatened open war against nato if these weapons are used inside Russia. Supposedly because they require satellite data and operational training that the Ukes don’t have and would require NATO operators. Thus directly involving NATO folks in the war. But Zelinski is already using these weapons at reduced ranges. Therefore stands to reason that NATO operatives are already there. DUH! He already has his justification for war against NATO and the USA.

Zelensky just pissed off the Polish Foreign Minister. I'm sure besides NATO, Biden has a cabal of his spooks there too.

[MountainGirl]

PO just came in and told me an oil facility inside Russia was hit/destroyed by a missile. Not drone, missile. I'm looking now for a link.

This is as close as I could find so far
Drone strike on an arsenal today, pretty massive, 4mi wide area impacted, only 200mi west of Moscow. Really cool vid.

https://youtu.be/-qnDqasq7i0?si=tfIxO0Np0UvJfuqX

[Inor]

It’s common knowledge that the US and U.K. gave long range weapons to Ukraine. And Zelenski is using them, but at reduced ranges due to restrictions from Biden and boys. Ok, Putin threatened open war against nato if these weapons are used inside Russia. Supposedly because they require satellite data and operational training that the Ukes don’t have and would require NATO operators. Thus directly involving NATO folks in the war. But Zelinski is already using these weapons at reduced ranges. Therefore stands to reason that NATO operatives are already there. DUH! He already has his justification for war against NATO and the USA.

Our "betters" in Washington D.C. would love nothing more than to have a war with Russia (and Iran and China and North Korea). They want a war with anybody and everybody on the planet. Why do you think RINOs like Cheney are lining up behind the Hoe? She will give them all the wars they want. That is also why folks like RFK and Tulsi are lining up behind Trump even though he may disagree with them on several key issues. Hell, that is ultimately why I am voting for Trump instead of even entertaining a 3rd party this time.

[Innkeeper]

I actually war gamed a clash with Russia in the Ukraine back in 2009, it was a war game used to test a MG and see if he was ready for a Promotion as a Theater Commander. Part of my Brigade went over to be 18th Corp Artillery. This was back when I was an FDC for a MLRS/Himar unit. I was lucky to be one of only 2 guys from my Battery to go, part of the reason being I had just been in Germany in 2008 and the Bde SGM was retiring a month after we got back stateside, so he wanted to be sure everyone got some down time to see the sights after we finished as he had never been to Germany. Heck, I got luck y and after the shooting part was done i was seconded to the SGM and got to run groups on their trips, so I had lots of fun times.

Forgot my train of thought. When talking to the guys running the wargames, they told me what happens is these are done using relevant Intel of what may be future conflicts and several times the wargames happening came true, with some differences at times.