NATO in Ukraine

[Prepared One]

My question is does Putin pull the nuke trigger? How far will he be pushed?

[Innkeeper]

My question is does Putin pull the nuke trigger? How far will he be pushed?

At some point I think he will unless Xi beats him to it. One of them will get to a point where they feel the right answer will be "if I can't win, then no one will". The problem is being able to see all the warning signs in time they both spout off about it all the time kinda like that idiot from the Hermit Kingdom, that it will really be hard to see the real signs that they have lost their mind.

The US and Canada were running naval ships where Xi said they aren't allowed to again. I am waiting to hear him make some more threats.

[StratBastard]

South Korea Could Follow North Into Russia-Ukraine War.

Everybody's getting sucked into this thing, maybe we're watching WWIII unravel right before our eyes.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...5d52f6e7&ei=45

[StratBastard]

Seoul demands ‘immediate withdrawal’ of North Korean troops in Russia

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...d33dd11c&ei=89

[Chiefster23]

‘if I can't win, then no one will".

I disagree. You seem to be assuming that Russia and China will think they can’t win against the US and possibly NATO. I’m thinking that China could whip our ass right now and certainly within a few years. Maybe Putin, too. Our military is a mere shadow of what it used to be. It used to be that you fought for the guy in the foxhole next to you. Now that guy quite possibly is wishing to be wearing his women’s panties and wearing his high heels…… and our commanding officers are OK with that. I ain’t risking my ass for that guy or those officers.

And the whole Taiwan/China thing……. China’s supply lines would be super short. Ours would be impossibly long. And we don’t have the oilers and support ships to keep our combatants supplied in that conflict. Reports say our supply of munitions only amounts to a week or two of Pacific combat. We ain’t gonna win with that!

[Dwight55]

‘if I can't win, then no one will".

I disagree. You seem to be assuming that Russia and China will think they can’t win against the US and possibly NATO. I’m thinking that China could whip our ass right now and certainly within a few years. Maybe Putin, too. Our military is a mere shadow of what it used to be. It used to be that you fought for the guy in the foxhole next to you. Now that guy quite possibly is wishing to be wearing his women’s panties and wearing his high heels…… and our commanding officers are OK with that. I ain’t risking my ass for that guy or those officers.

And the whole Taiwan/China thing……. China’s supply lines would be super short. Ours would be impossibly long. And we don’t have the oilers and support ships to keep our combatants supplied in that conflict. Reports say our supply of munitions only amounts to a week or two of Pacific combat. We ain’t gonna win with that!

So what did we do . . . turn the Ohio class subs into razor blades?

Wake up . . . get out of bed . . . turn off the cartoons.

As long as there is one operational Ohio class sub . . . Russia or China . . . and with the right placement . . . BOTH . . . are nuclear history about 20 minutes after the last one is launched.

And Russia and Chink land both know it.

May God bless,
Dwight

[Chiefster23]

Dwight. And you don’t think that we won’t be nuclear history either? If it goes nuclear, we will all be toast. I;m talking conventional warfare. If the nukes start flying, we all revert back to the Stone Age.

[Prepared One]

South Korea Could Follow North Into Russia-Ukraine War.

Everybody's getting sucked into this thing, maybe we're watching WWIII unravel right before our eyes.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...5d52f6e7&ei=45

We have been watching it unravel for a few years now in my opinion. It looks a lot like Europe and the pacific in the 30's lead up to WWII. Talk of reinstating the draft, some countries are already moving to a war economy and repositioning of troops and material. A lot of countries have increased their military budgets as well. Alliances have been formed and lines drawn. You have Iran in the middle east, Russia and Ukraine, China and Taiwan, North and South Korea, all are hot spots that that have nuclear options in the mix. The United States is spread pretty thin as it is now, if all four hot spots go off at once?

I have been saying it for a couple of years, war is coming. It's now a question of who fires the first shot and how hot will it be. IMO it will be Putin who will fire the first nuke off, but it just as easily could be the fat kid in Korea or the middle east.

[Chiefster23]

What scares me is that much of our manufacturing base is gone overseas. We don’t make our own drugs. Much of our steel is imported. We don’t smelt lead or tan leather. We haven’t built a new refinery in decades. Damned near everything is imported now days. Hell ,we only have a handful of shipyards left and few shipyard workers. Electrical transformers imported. Even locomotives! GE locomotives are made in Canada. Not a big deal but you get my drift. The navy says they are getting rid of 17 ships because they cannot crew them. How we gonna fight and win a war?

[Jester-ND]

If goes Nukes, not much of anything else matters... Nobody wins! What would be the point? the PTB rides out the fallout and forms new global govt without people/macheinery/experience to make it last? How much of the remaining land for food is fertile and not glowing? those in charge wouldn't be able to run anything for another 1-2 generations...... of remaing people who never knew how to do it in the first place... Either ther is no actual plan, or it is a super shitty one that goes FUBAR after 3 years when their stockpiles run out!