NATO in Ukraine

[Slippy]

What scares me is that much of our manufacturing base is gone overseas. We don’t make our own drugs. Much of our steel is imported. We don’t smelt lead or tan leather. We haven’t built a new refinery in decades. Damned near everything is imported now days. Hell ,we only have a handful of shipyards left and few shipyard workers. Electrical transformers imported. Even locomotives! GE locomotives are made in Canada. Not a big deal but you get my drift. The navy says they are getting rid of 17 ships because they cannot crew them. How we gonna fight and win a war?

^^^^A whole-lotta TRUTH in Chiefter's post^^^^

[Innkeeper]

‘if I can't win, then no one will".

I disagree. You seem to be assuming that Russia and China will think they can’t win against the US and possibly NATO. I’m thinking that China could whip our ass right now and certainly within a few years. Maybe Putin, too. Our military is a mere shadow of what it used to be. It used to be that you fought for the guy in the foxhole next to you. Now that guy quite possibly is wishing to be wearing his women’s panties and wearing his high heels…… and our commanding officers are OK with that. I ain’t risking my ass for that guy or those officers.

And the whole Taiwan/China thing……. China’s supply lines would be super short. Ours would be impossibly long. And we don’t have the oilers and support ships to keep our combatants supplied in that conflict. Reports say our supply of munitions only amounts to a week or two of Pacific combat. We ain’t gonna win with that!

The Brits are getting rid of ships for the same reason. And their Libs are forcing DEI into their officer and NCO corp, and then seem surprised when they can't fill slots.

[Prepared One]

What scares me is that much of our manufacturing base is gone overseas. We don’t make our own drugs. Much of our steel is imported. We don’t smelt lead or tan leather. We haven’t built a new refinery in decades. Damned near everything is imported now days. Hell ,we only have a handful of shipyards left and few shipyard workers. Electrical transformers imported. Even locomotives! GE locomotives are made in Canada. Not a big deal but you get my drift. The navy says they are getting rid of 17 ships because they cannot crew them. How we gonna fight and win a war?

Agreed. This ain't like it was in WWII where we had a manufacturing base that could outproduce the enemy and the man power that would fight. We now have neither.